For Western Oti-Volta, the idea of substrata would make a lot of sense on first principles; it seems very likely that the current geographical range of these languages is a development of the last few centuries. It seems to me that the linguistic argument from diversity has always been that AA developed in the areas of diversity, and thats what I dont see supported by other lines of evidence. Why is there not simply a mosaic of languages that are more discontinuous with each other, whose affinities are at a vast depth of time? The OED also finds it in Cormac McCarthys All [the] Pretty Horses, and the annual Burning Man festival is famously held on an extremely arid and dusty playa lakebed. (Im not clear how he came up with his Proto-Potou-Akanic, given that the Akan word for send is in fact soma.). If everything has to be checked through the usual lens of the fine grained comparative method, all we have is fancy graphics, not new understanding. I dont think its the vowels that are the issue for OSA, because (Voltaire etc.) The other day you (DM, somewhat jokingly?) It is a very basic animal. Basically Blench should have been around fifty-plus years ago, when his admirable empiricism might have headed off some of the Greenbergian hyperlumpery at the pass. "Does anyone have a decent idea of how and where Chadic separated from AA and spread? I think the former proposal cant be accepted without discussion, you think the latter proposal cant be accepted without discussion. The modern term is KONGO. Akkadian WS split does not look very useful for classification:(. Here you go (retyped by hand, so Ive used some abbreviations not in the original), from section 7.7 of Transactions of the Philological Society 100 (2002) p. 110ff,, the original Fuluffyan paper: We attempted to find the internal subgrouping of the WGmc family. A minutes googling reveals questions like Qu pescados son de agua salada? which proceed to link to sites like Peces de agua salada.). Otherwise, Id think wed see instead of Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan the diversity that we see in the click languages. If I understand, that seems like a position youve moved beyond? As in the spread of back /r/ across the French-German isogloss bundle. Then he quotes from the very same article by Nichols as Claude Rilly (where he was calculating the degree of closeness between Meroitic and Nubian words for brother and sister). In. urohon; and still so in Karelian) shifted to the more common inflection type -os : -okse-. Proto-Bantu didnt have it. I dont think so, because it didnt it diphthongize. I heard that in some East Asian countries cats are present but the common attitude is an animal that can scratch you or something, be careful. Online Etymology Dictionary TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. Vydrin admits the evidence isnt definitive, but then rails against the extremes represented by the overly rigorous approaches of splitters and the too lax approaches of lumpers. Playa is a technical term for the local relief feature. There is already significant evidence of such replacement at Shum Lake and Mota. Heres a short version. Dick & Garlick I take it that the standard languages are meant. It was the Egyptologist Karl Richard Lepsius (18101884) who restricted Hamitic to the non-Semitic languages in Africa, which are characterized by a grammatical gender system. and sighed with relief at the word mess. https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/30/R1/R17/6025449. Creativity is creativity. Note that the author isnt simply on a quest to prove Greenberg right. IIRC, logarithms of Bayes factors are generally negative and mean higher support the smaller they are. The overall progression is thus much as Brown (1973) defined for English: from single words to early word combinations, thence to simple clause structure, followed by a range of devices for clause linkage. (Corpus of the Russian Language) Too high in the classification hierarchy, I mean. Meinhofs system of classification of the Hamitic languages was based on a belief that speakers of Hamitic became largely coterminous with cattle herding peoples with essentially Caucasian origins, intrinsically different from and superior to the Negroes of Africa. However, in the case of the so-called Nilo-Hamitic languages (a concept he introduced), it was based on the typological feature of gender and a fallacious theory of language mixture. Meinhof did this although earlier work by scholars such as Lepsius and Johnston had substantiated that the languages which he would later dub Nilo-Hamitic were Nilotic languages, with numerous similarities in vocabulary to other Nilotic languages. I dont believe that until somebody tries. I do not know. Thats a delightful folk etymology, and Im sure youre not the only one to invent it. So they have a +/- 25% variance for their origin (using the most generous to them calculation), and they think they can just chop off 95% of their lower bound and still be making enough sense to publish? If you simply assume that your claim is valid in such cases you are not acting as a scientist at all. I browsed through Wictionarys list of translations looking for polyichthia (or pleoichthy?). Similarly, forms in -us are not restricted to what one would suppose to be the earliest stratum. Until recently mass/collective nouns suffixes were productive (I see this mostly in distribution in modern Russian) but have been suppressed in written langauge by, I think, translated literature (again, from distibution) and in spoken langauge by schooling. Durch die Jonas-Legende bedingt ist es im MSA speziell der Walfisch und mit dieser Sonderbedeutung im arabischen Osten blich. This ancestral population (origin of migration edge a in Figure 4) was approximately halfway between the common ancestor of indicine and the common ancestor of taurine. If you can get into Nature, you must get into Nature, unless you already have tenure and are happy with keeping your job until retirement. Well, no, he is calculating (I did not check the arithmetic) the odds of a genetic relationship, just the odds of words for brother and sister to be so close (which is not the same). Redescription of [further taxa] is an obvious step towards discriminating between these starkly different hypotheses. You cant blame an author who in passing mentions some similarities that those are mentioned in passing and are not expored:-) He explains what he means by rigorous on p 115: Recently, a hyper-rigorous approach has grown quite popular; even if it cannot be regarded as the mainstream in the comparative linguistics, it has acquired authority among the broad masses of linguists who are not directly engaged into reconstruction work (and who outnumber the comparativists by far) and cannot therefore be disregarded. German has Bckerei and Schreierei, which makes the claim that -eri is a productive morpheme in Danish a bit dodgy. This situation is not unusual, even among long-established language families: scholars also frequently disagree on the internal classification of the Indo-European languages, for instance. are different. Furthermore, I would suspect that it is easier to catch large quantities of fish with nets in open water (whereas fresh-water fishing is often limited to angling). Wikipedia defines it as a coastal, supratidal mudflat or sandflat in which evaporite-saline minerals accumulate as the result of semiarid to arid climate, but in Arabic it is a salt flat that is not necessarily supratidal. It is an area which I wish to see studied more: creative contribution of speakers in the langauge (rather than in a text). I think the reason bageri, boulangerie are later formations is that the early baker/fournisseur provided the oven space and/for not only bread or cakes. Think about entering a kitchen, where too many things are cooked (or fried) at once and especially oil was burning. Thai has one of the most elaborate systems of classifiers, with several hundred. The teacher mentioned dual, plural, collective and singulative and said that it is technically possible to make combinations. 1) fiske, fiskfngst. 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In 1969, Harold Fleming proposed that what had previously been known as Western Cushitic is an independent branch of Afroasiatic, suggesting for it the new name Omotic. And, as you rightly say, hes good at writing, unlike one or two perfectly capable linguists one can think of, who have everything except the gift of clear exposition. @Lameen, yes, an unfortunate formulation (historical linguistics), but I see what he means. Dictionnaires dautrefois In 1844, Theodor Benfey suggested a language family consisting of Semitic, Berber, and Cushitic (calling the latter Ethiopic). >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Sudanic_languages, When you click on a link, and really its one of the fifty tabs already open in your Firefox window, I again cant begin to assess the quality of the work, but heres a cognate-hunting paper for Birgid, described as the westernmost of the Northern East Sudanic group, and Daju, considered quite distant from NES. Languagehat.com does not endorse any potential defamatory opinions of readers, and readers should post opinions regarding third parties at their own risk. This is plausible enough with many of the Kwa languages, but already runs in trouble with Atlantic, where the classes certainly are typologically very like Bantu classes but the actual form-meaning correspondences are only discernible by wishful thinking with the exception of the human and liquid classes. lyudina (Ukrainian) a person While it seems quite likely a priori that they are, it may never prove possible to demonstrate this with any rigour. Lexicon is more chaotic, any grammatical subsystem is still a system and it can collapse as a system. Language References and Links In Arabic Hamito-Semitic remains somewhat more widely understood, but theres no original research on the subject to speak of in Arabic. My favorite is that they somehow tracked down a 500-word article I wrote in the late 80s about a high school girls badminton game for a local daily newspaper, and theyve asked me at least 100 times to claim its authorship, but I wont give them the satisfaction. It had also occurred to me to wonder whether ur was related to the city name in that way, but I rejected it as impossible, since I knew I had encountered ur in sources that were too old to be consistent with that origin. It would be a change in syntax, not morphology, just as with the ancestral languages of the suffixing Gur versus the prefixing Bantu. * Are Kehf and Kelif cognates, or different terms that both happen to be applied to this site, because these arent typos each term is used in different but formal and presumably accurate places. When saying ouch I was thinking ! which is what youre supposed to say when you burn your hand. These nominal classifications make themselves felt By the way, Lameen, youve been paged in the spruik thread. The term Hamito-Semitic remains in use in the academic traditions of some European countries, as well as in the official census of the government of India. These are some of the more familiar schemes. I cant find my copy just now, but IIRC his Fulfulde examples are very heavy on mama/papa/ideophone type words, he analyses everything as CV roots, and he sets up a bewildering array of protolanguage initial consonants in order to make as many correspondences as possible look regular. Similarly, in morphology, across languages children proceed from nonalternation between forms to immature strategies for initial markings of grammatical categories, thence to creative errors of over-regularization, until eventually the system becomes fully constrained by lexical convention. The article is part of an issue of Human Molecular Genetics surveying the genetics of Africa. In this study, agrammatic subjects systematically substituted rather than omitted inflections in Italian, a language in which -inflected stems generally result in nonwords. Yes, textbooks are not good, by maybe we then should be angry at them and not at the paper that merely says a detailed reconstruction of the Proto-Mande language, based on strict methodological principles is necessary. Perhaps the Berbers are the descendants of the stubborn, who said, Sure, go ahead, run away; well learn to adapt. Nothing else can account for their retention of their languages despite repeated invasions of Semitic-speakers. Maybe one tribe would have conquered the Plains and imposed its language, resulting in linguistic uniformity similar to demic diffusion. Just want to go back to Lameens comment. The evidence is pretty clear than the idea of Bantu-style noun class systems is more durable over time and linguistic diversity than any particular expression of the idea. Ref. Also Indeed the English cat derives from Latin cattus, which is probably borrowed from Berber gius, applied to the North African wild cat., sadly without links. Blench is always worth reading, though I priggishly disapprove of his overenthusiasm for top-level lumping. You use it to figure out if it is etymological o or a (i or e) and write it accordingly. @Rodger C. Qu pescados son de agua salada? Certainly, the total available biomass of salt-water fish is much greater. I was confusing him with Mukarovsky, who actually had a quite different erroneous idea re Songhay and Mande anyway. Rabbit isnt exotic everywhere, I guess. The problem of variability in aphasia has been linked to the role of language-specific features in language processing, among other factors. A nativist, Chomskyan-based view will specify these in terms of the formal principles characterizing a generative model of Universal Grammar (UG) with cross-linguistic variation accounted for by differential setting of structural parameters according to the target language. a lot will probably hinge on whether they bother to include Frisian.). Ive thought this for a long time; Im glad its supported by people who actually have relevant knowledge. Morphology and even phonology can also be borrowed. The characters they use, and their states, are simply read from the data: each nucleotide/amino acid position is a character, and the nucleotides/amino acids are its states. And if you need borrowed morphology, Danish -eri (vaskeri, bageri) seems to be borrowed from some Romance varietys equivalent of the -eria in pizzeria, taquera and so on. Maurice Delafosse (1914) later coined the term Afroasiatic (often now spelled Afro-Asiatic). But I would again say that the diversity of something like N-S is what I would expect if a group that obtained some technological advantage 12 kya began expanding while merging with the linguistically diverse peoples it could assimilate. To crowd your coffin when youre dead. Chinese Character Dictionary It is recognized in literary languages, but it is just one possible example, namely literary languages, and descriptive linguistics ignores it even there. Farefare and Dagaare have the same etymon as Moor, though the three languages dont seem to constitute a branch of WOV together; its difficult to be sure with so many criss-crossing isoglosses. The Dagaare for hedgehog is zampo. perfect) in the non-r-branches. In fact, if the two groups did live together, why didnt the Proto-Berbers respond in the same way to changing climate and migrate east as well? Zhongwen.com Having said that, I think his argument, if you follow it through, actually undermines a central plank of Greenbergs Niger-Congo, which is that the Niger-Congo noun class systems are so typologically exceptional that their presence is enough to prove the genetic unity of the group. I meant ghoty, yes, * laughter:( Large freshwater fish: the Chinese paddlefish in the Yangtze, now extinct, often weighed 500 pound and the champion fish may have weighed more than a ton. Wiktionary among the proto-Slavic meanings of the wild part (dik-) lists wild animal, especially wild boar. Think Altaic, not Indo-European. At some point, we posit archaic language diversity. (Thats a World Cup joke, for those who arent into that sort of thing.). O. Hieda, C.Knig and H. Nakagawa eds. Moreover, Oti-Volta class affixes are suffixed, not prefixed, and they are relatively loose, which expresses itself in the pervasive compounding of nouns (as bare stems) and modifiers. Are there aspects of Afroasiatic that make it seem likely to have originated earlier or later than such an expansion? This is just one morphological feature, in only two branches of AA, being studied with care and detail, and that only three years ago. I know that the Comanche plundered Texas and Mexico on an ongoing basis, but these were populous and relatively wealthy societies. Lexical representation and organization of a French verb with a single root (manger, to eat), and of a French verb with two roots (vendre, to sell). ScienceDirect is a registered trademark of Elsevier B.V. ScienceDirect is a registered trademark of Elsevier B.V. My point is that I can think of no reason that instead, we see A1147, A1149, A2147, A5147 and a host of other survivals of A, and then no B, C, D, maybe a single E and two languages in F, but then G1113, G2052 and G6457 and a host of other survivals of G. In essence, my issue is that the pattern of survival isnt fractal. This is weirder. More realistically, if it ever becomes possible to take a train (or more likely a sequence of trains, with transfers) between Spain and Latin America, this will probably go through Yakutia (I almost wrote Yakutsk, but IIRC the most likely placement of the line leaves Yakutsk proper slightly to the side). The fragmentary and highly stereotyped character of the Meroitic remains is always going to limit its direct usefulness in reconstruction severely. The only classes that clearly do match (and in other Volta-Congo languages, too) are the human class (-a/-ba) in Kusaal, one very common non-human class (-re/-a in Kusaal) and the liquid class (-m in Kusaal.) Ethiopian Semitic languages exhibit a number of interconnected word-order patterns that are borrowed from neighboring Cushitic languages. In the south of the Arabian peninsula a distinct consonantal script had appeared by at least the sixth century BC, and certainly had begun to develop several hundred years earlier. Now youve got me reading Vydrin on Mande & Niger-Congo Toward a Proto-Mande reconstruction and an etymological dictionary (2016). The proposal is that this resulted from a westward migration of pastoralist Cushitic speakers. Though quite a lot of recent good descriptions of languages from that unhappy part of the world have actually been primarily based on work with refugees in Khartoum or even farther afield. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press (link) What am I missing, and what are you? He believed he was an Ukrainian szlachcic, from a family of Polish origin. Based on actual real live fieldwork, moreover. neighbouring populations with parallel development (diffusion is possible). Take care of I meant. ), https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officina_gentium_aut_velut_certe_vagina_nationum. It will be soon; Ill try to remember to post the link here. Though not as cool as Oti-Volta, obvs.) (And then I read this last paragraph and scoff at the preposterousness that I have any knowledge base for saying it. . Colin 1927:967; Kossmann 1999a:198). A flat area of silt or sand, free of vegetation and usually characterized by salt deposits, that lies at the bottom of a desert basin and is dry except after rain. Compare Stachelschwein, porcupine, literally sting pig. Like Harold Fleming, Christopher Ehret (1995: 490) divides Afroasiatic into two branches, Omotic and Erythrean. Its much less common, but the difficulty of distinguishing borrowing from inheritance is not confined to lexicon. It may be that the southern peoples (Pueblo Indians) were geographically defensible enough to survive, but they werent wealthy. (Proto-Bantu, for example, is pretty solid, despite the fact that there are no sources going back more than a few centuries.) At Urkesh (Tell Mozan), the Hurrian capital, stunning monumental remains, including a vast monumental temple plaza and terrace are coming to light. If groups like NES are real, one is talking about far more remote relationships than within Indo-European. Who viewed me in a thoughtful way, Proto-Bantu and Proto-Niger-Congo: Macro-areal typology and linguistic reconstruction. Afro-Asiatic, Austronesian, Nilo-Saharan, Niger-Congo, Khoisan, Indo-European. I was idly wondering whether the Kusaal particle n which follows imperfective verb forms to give them a continuous/progressive sense might be connected with the locative postposition n, which could make sense given the way that many languages make a progressive along the lines of Im a-singing., Unfortunately I dont think the comparative evidence fits with this idea very well, though its hard to say anything definite about it because both words show a bewildering array of reflexes even within Western Oti-Volta, alternating between /m/n even between otherwise closely related languages. However, in this study, it was observed that omissions of affixes can and do occur in Semitic languages and that in cases where omitting the affix would result in a morphologically ill-formed bare stem, subjects substituted the nonword stem with a real-word stem. WebThe Bantu language family is the most widely spoken language group in Africa. I havent taken a look at the new paper yet, so I dont know if it continues this blunder, but I know that other recent Bayesian analyses of language phylogeny have not perpetuated it. Any cat, however, who jumps on my lap finds herself instantly on the floor, so I at least dont get bitten. Attempts that Ive seen to prove cognacy are usually lamentable. WebBantu languages, a group of some 500 languages belonging to the Bantoid subgroup of the Benue-Congo branch of the Niger-Congo language family. Obviously, the bit about the spread of Semitic languages is of prime LH interest; heres a relevant snippet: In addition to the local ancestry from Epipaleolithic/Neolithic people, we found an ancestry related to ancient Iranians that is ubiquitous today in all Middle Easterners (orange component in Figure 1B; Table 1). But some populations of landlocked salmon never reach the ocean. averaged into a . I am not convinced. At least in my experience, uses such as this are common only in very colloquial use, as illustrated by the second quote. Its clear that the actual Proto-Volta-Congo form must have been *tm-. Its striking how few African names show up in the footnotes of African linguistics papers, even in works published in 2016. Schrijver has the morphological details here. Therefore our method is good, and we need to keep using it. and would advise. If you accept it in the strong formulation, Semitic (Semitic-1) must have arrived from Africa. That doesnt make sense in your case though. Maybe this is some Potou-Akanic-internal process that Stewart felt could be projected back to Proto-Volta-Congo (if so, again illustrating the problem with his general thesis.). It seems their data comes from this one paper. But how much has changed in the two years! I suspect that given time, on the American steppe the equestrian Sioux. visserij (maybe from older vischerij, but I have not checked), corresponding to OF pescherie. Theres a Wikipedia article about Joseph Wright in Gothic. These all derived from the same earlier fish, i.e., PIE *hduH- > Pre-Gk. Of course, derivation and inflexion are creative, genitive or dative depend on what I mean, but it is I who decides what I mean and no one else (it is just that speakers creativity in these areas is recognized by grammar descriptions rather than goes against them:)). Raqa'i. (Almost all of the southern aspirating area has undergone the High German Consonant Shift, i.e. There is a certain tradition of attempting to derive Latin cattus from Berber kadiis but, plausibility aside, the latter word is in fact Nubian (Nubians are referred to as Berber in Egyptian Arabic, among other names. Coffi Sambinis Le Proto-Oti-Volta-Oriental, . Quite apart from his general supreme rightness in these slides, he makes the very pertinent point that in this kind of mass-comparison-by-stealth approach, actually identifying cognates correctly is the real difficulty, that (at this level) good scholars can disagree considerably over this, and that you often need to reconsider your own earlier judgments in the light of further research. I have to say that he knows a lot more about Nilo-Saharan languages than I do, though. There is or used to be an important commercial whitefish fishery on Lake Superior and other large lakes in that area. He thinks (rightly) that past classification judgments have often been made on the basis of wholly inadequate data, and goes out and collects better data. Learn more. Kusaal has triple vowels too, though expected three-mora monophthongs are reduced to two everywere except in maaa only; this is probably an exception on account of the change from *aaa to aaa (overlong glottalised vowel) being fairly recent (it was not complete in Toende Kusaal until after the 1970s.). native alimaa vermin), bosque < Old Occ barriga belly < either Ancient Greek barys heavy or Gascon barrica barrel, and caminar < VL < Gaulish < Proto-Celtic *kengeti limp. The root is Turkic. They just werent about IE and didnt get into Nature. Porcupine is monosyllabic in Kusaal: snm /s:m/. In these cricumstances racking up lists of lookalikes is childs play. Usual historical linguistics, by looking at morphology, can easily decode this, but blind judgment will simply be mistaken. But it is no different from mitochondrial Eve. fieldwork in areas without internet access yes, I consider Opera with Presto engine a very good browser and it was exactly popular in Africa. Kordofanian is not a unity; Greenberg himself admitted that his evidence for lumping it into his Niger-Congo was nearly all typological. So carry coals to Newcastle is send something to a place where it was already commonplace. We have early records of the Amorites because they came into contact with the Sumerians in the third millennium B.C.E. This is the region of greatest internal genetic diversity within all of Oti-Volta, but its also a Sprachbund, as is apparent from the happy accident that the Western Oti-Volta language Boulba has wandered into the area, and participated in almost (but not quite) all the phonological changes that Manessy thought were inherited common innovations demarcating his Eastern Oti-Volta grouping. Mampruli yugumpiinni hedgehog has a second component which looks like it either is, or has been remodelled on, piimni arrow, which at least makes some sort of sense. They split up Cushitic into five or more independent branches of Afroasiatic, viewing Cushitic as a Sprachbund rather than a language family. David Eddyshaw: Okay, if I understand you correctly, to you, Volta-Congo is Niger-Kordofanian MINUS: Dogon, Mande, Kordofanian, and Atlantic, with (some or all of) the various Atlantic languages being POSSIBLY genetically related to Volta-Congo as a whole. Its presence is only evidence for a genetic relationship if you can show regular correspondences of form and meaning. However, this is not so. Character converter, Visual pleasures (In a good way ). It does make a contact explanation for the rise of gender in Southern Nilotic seem a little more tempting. Or wouldnt you as the author want to do so, and then correct mistakes that have shown up? I dont remember in what connection. There are also Romance porc-pic, porcospino / porco-espinho / puercoespn, Bolgarian and Sorbian, Irish (torcn) etc.) His proposed Proto-NES form for sister as given there is *kdt, however. It sounds very interesting Less inanely, he proposed that the relationship could be seen in a parallel between the supposed Nilo-Saharan t/k sg/pl opposition and the supposed Niger-Congo de/ga noun class. Now the verbal system, thats more of a challenge worthy of a Starostin ), Are Kehf and Kelif cognates, or different terms that both happen to be applied to this site, because these arent typos. The thing is, you can get nearly the same nonsensical solution using pencil and envelope, as in the days of Swadesh. It starts off with the standard tree, and uses lexicostatistics to derive dates. I assume deep antiquity had much more diversity, that was erased in the period youre mentioning, because of recognizable, new centralizing forces of trade, conquest and prestige. 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That make it seem likely to have originated earlier or later than such an expansion World Cup,... May bantu semitic language that the author isnt simply on a quest to prove are. Article is part of an issue of Human Molecular Genetics surveying the of. To keep using it Afroasiatic ( often now spelled Afro-Asiatic ) that your claim is valid such. We see in the two years branch of the wild part ( dik- ) lists wild animal, wild. Came into contact with the Sumerians in the click languages languages belonging to the role of language-specific features in processing! Arrived from Africa for classification: ( salada. ) southern Nilotic seem a little more tempting of in. Place where it was already commonplace is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers languages belonging the... And then I read this last paragraph and scoff at the preposterousness that I have any knowledge base saying... Semitic ( Semitic-1 ) must have been * tm- i.e., PIE * hduH- > Pre-Gk several.. 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